Orr, Andrew Neilson (Flying Officer)

Prisoner of War 1943-April-17

Flying Officer Andrew Neilson Orr RAFVR

Birth Date: 1915-April-23

Born:

Parents:

Spouse: Husband of Lillian Anton

Home: Glasgow scotland

Enlistment:

Enlistment Date: unkown date

Service

RAFVR

Unit

78 (B) Sqn- Squadron (RAF)
Nemo Non Paratus Nobody unprepared

Base

RAF Linton-on-Ouse

Rank

Flying Officer

Position

Air Gunner (Rear)

Service Numbers

121341
PoW: 1102

Mission

Halifax B/GR.Mk.II DT773

Bombing Pilsen Czechoslovakia 1943-April-16 to 1943-April-17

78 (B) Sqn (RAF) RAF Linton-on-Ouse

78 (Preston's Own) Squadron (Nemo non paratus) RAF Linton-on-Ouse. Halifax BII aircraft DT 773 EY was shot down by night fighter pilot Lt Joseph Nabrich III/NJG101 returning from an operation against the Skoda armaments factory in Pilsen, Czechoslovakia. Pilot Flight Lieutenant Dowse gave the order to abandon the aircraft and stayed at the controls. Sadly, Flight Lieutenant Dowse was not able to get free himself and went down with his bomber. The Halifax crashed crashed in the dry lake bed of Max Eyth in the Hofen district of Stuttgart, Germany

Flight Lieutenant AP Dowse (RAFVR) was killed in action

FS R Desjardins (RCAF), Sergeant AW Hoare (RAFVR), Sergeant P Lansford (RNZAF), Flying Officer AN Orr (RAFVR), Sergeant TT Slater (RAFVR) and Sergeant HE Thompson (RAFVR) survived and all were taken as Prisoners of War

Unvetted Source [Royal Air Force Serial and Image Database]...

Unvetted Source Aviation Safety Network

Unvetted Source Allied Losses and Incidents: All Commands

Operatins Record Books Operations Record Book Monthly Summary

Operatins Record Books Operations Record Book Daily Detail

Supplemental Story

PoW Capture -- a story in Pictures March 16-17, 1944

Flying Officer Orr was a graduate of Glasgow art College according to his son Ron Orr. As a result his artwork is very communicative.

Museum Flying Officer Orr artifacts stored at CWHM


3 AM 17 4 1943, Attacked by Night Fighter
3 AM 17 4 1943,Baling out of rear gunner position

Halifax BII aircraft DT 773 was shot down by night fighter pilot Lt Joseph Nabrich III/NJG101 returning from an operation against the Skoda armaments factory in Pilsen, Czechoslovakia. Pilot Flight Lieutenant Dowse gave the order to abandon the aircraft and stayed at the controls. Flight Lieutenant Dowse was not able to get free himself and went down with his bomber. The Halifax crashed crashed in the dry lake bed of Max Eyth in the Hofen district of Stuttgart, Germany.

The crew survived and were taken Prisoner of War

The drawing show Flying Officer Orr baling out of his rear gunner position. He apparently injured his leg as he baled out.


3:10 AM 17 4 1943, Found by German Authorities

According to Flying Officer Orr, only ten minutes later he was on the ground and being captured by German Authorities. This image shows him landing on solid ground on Texel Island; and a very Dutch looking thatched roof house in the background. This image is a odds with his receipt of the Goldfish which occurred in November 1942 when his crew ditched in the ocean near Valencia Spain.


36 Hours in Cooler at Dulag Luft, 18th & 19th of April 1943

Dulag Luft is a processing centre just north and west of Frankfurt. Most downed allied airmen were processed and interrogated at Dulag Luft and then transferred to a Prison Camp.


North Compound

This is a layout map of the north compound at Stalag Luft 3, Sagan and Bellaria Germany (after 1945, Poland). Bellaria was a second camp located about 5 miles from the main camp at Sagan. Flying Officer Orr remained at Stalag Luft 3 Sagan. The north compound is the place from which the "Great Escape" took place in late March 1944.


Bar to Freedom

"The Wire" represented imprisonment. Many prisoners commented on "the wire".


Bellaria Design on Verdunkels

We don't really know what this drawing by Flying Officer Orr represents. But we do know that it is extremely well done. Bellaria is the location of second camp for Stalag Luft 3. Verdunkel refers to "dark" in German, it may also refer to "obscured". It was a term used to describe the paper that was used to cover the windows for black-out purposes in wartime. This image does not contain the characteristic page number of the YMCA diary book. It may be "verdunkel" paper.

A cartoon perhaps? An idyllic representation of a place that the prisoners wonder about. May have gotten a few laughs!


The Pit (Tidy Version)

"The Pit" is a highly derogatory term for what appears to be a reasonably nice space (given that it is a prison camp). Is there is something that we do not know about this room?


Escape

Transcription of prologue: "Originally copied from the wall of a cell in which would be escapes served sentences of solitary confinement for their aborted escaped attempts. Flight Lieutenant Boctel [likely Brettell] was among the band of RAF officers ruthlessly shot when recaptured after escaping from the north compound Stalag Luft 3 on 25th of March 1944"

"F/LT Gordon E Brettell died Danzig 133 squadron RAF 29 March 1944."

Flight Lieutenant Brettell had two escape attempts. March 1943 -- he was recaptured and spent time in solitary confinement. March 1944 (Great Escape) -- his group got as far as Danzig (Gdansk). They were recaptured and executed on March 29, 1944


Photos, right click to open in larger size

There are many photos taken inside prison camps. The prisoners smuggled in cameras, radios and other tools. The prisoners were extremely resourceful

Previous Events

1942-November-08 Flying Officer Interned Prisoner

Halifax B.Mk.IIEY-T

78 Bomber Squadron RAF

Mission to Genoa resulted in internment in Spain.

Halifax B.Mk.II W1063

Bombing Genoa Italy 1942-November-07 to 1942-November-08

78 (B) Sqn (RAF) RAF Linton-on-Ouse
Orr's Log from November 1942
Aircraft incident card -Form 1180

On the night of 7th / 8th November 1942 he flying 78 Squadron Halifax W1063 on Ops to Italy but outbound and (likely over the Alps) one of the engines failed. Realizing that they could not then return over the Alps they continued to target, released the bomb load but then headed for Gibraltar, the aircraft was eventually ditched near Valencia Spain.The crew were rescued but then interned briefly in Spain before being released to Gibraltar and then returned to the UK in early 1943. Stoey from multiple sources

  • Flying Officer A P Dowse
  • Sergeant J Kershaw
  • Sergeant H E Thompson
  • Sergeant P Langsford (RNZAF)
  • Sergeant A W Hoare
  • Pilot Officer A N Orr
  • Sergeant T T Slater